tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post1169218304304305098..comments2024-03-24T20:07:23.560-04:00Comments on KIKO'S HOUSE: Hillary's Unfortunate But Unforgivable Role In The Great American CatastropheShaun Mullenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14964214385216513188noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-86704321548205810252017-09-09T07:22:38.664-04:002017-09-09T07:22:38.664-04:00I feel everything you blame on Hillary's behav...I feel everything you blame on Hillary's behavior are the propaganda fed to us by the other side. I have felt that way each time you blame her for the failings. On the other side, I am guessing this book will read like that "letter you are supposed to write to someone who has wronged you, but never send it". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-10074149796819044112017-04-27T19:53:11.547-04:002017-04-27T19:53:11.547-04:00yes, i think you did nail it at one point in your ...yes, i think you did nail it at one point in your diatribe: it does sound like blaming the rape victim.chrome agnomenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05981749915952364094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-74645737903903646032017-04-26T15:45:03.852-04:002017-04-26T15:45:03.852-04:00I also take issue with this post, though I find it...I also take issue with this post, though I find it overall balanced. I take issue with the bit about what Hillary Clinton stands for and posted <a href="http://pineviewfarm.net/weblog/2017/04/88512/" rel="nofollow"> a rejoinder at my place</a>. Here's a bit of that rejoinder:<br /><br />"I found it quite clear what Hillary Clinton stood for: moderation, sanity,<br />and continued progress on the economy and human rights. So she is not an<br />ideologue; generally, ideologues do not fare well in American national<br />elections, whether the ideologue is, just to pick two, George Wallace or<br />Bernie Sanders. (As for Donald Trump, though he sounds like an ideologue to<br />please his base, his actions indicate that, if he idealizes anything, it’s<br />TV ratings; he is a hollow man, a blowhard who says whatever he thinks his<br />audience of the moment wants to hear.)<br /><br />"Furthermore, “because it’s my turn” is not an uncommon reason for<br />candidates to declare. It takes a big ego to run for office–any office–and<br />anyone who mounts a serious campaign does indeed think it’s his or her<br />turn; that’s part of the package.<br /><br />"Was Clinton an ideal candidate? Probably not, but how many are?<br /><br />"Would she have been a capable chief executive and not a medicine show<br />barker? Certainly.<br /><br />"Frankly, I suspect that, whoever the Democrats had nominated, by the time<br />Republican gerrymandering and voter suppression (the importance of which is<br />sorely underplayed and which I think was the largest single contributor to<br />Trump’s elector college victory), the wingnut wurlitzer, the weaponizing of<br />racism, fake news, foreign subterfuge, and FBI frolics had finished, Shaun<br />could have written the same article and drawn the same conclusions, even<br />had that candidate been God himself."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-83984412223054758312017-04-26T03:56:46.316-04:002017-04-26T03:56:46.316-04:00Try to look at the bright side. After all,had Hila...Try to look at the bright side. After all,had Hilary won we would not have had the summer of the howling mob which is fast approaching.<br />NiBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-5380385720127211472017-04-25T16:19:27.967-04:002017-04-25T16:19:27.967-04:00I sometimes disagree with you, but I think this is...I sometimes disagree with you, but I think this is on the spot. Ms. Clinton's propensity for limiting what she says and what information and documents get released is notorious. Last June on my way to DC I listened to "On the Media" on my radio. The story was about how difficult it seemed to be for many people to build any sense of trust for her. One interviewee told how during 1993 during her husband's difficult first year as Whitewater was becoming much more difficult to manage, several of her advisors (who disagreed on everything else) recommended she just "release the documents," or something to that effect. She adamantly said "No! If we give them anything, they'll just demand more." Her advisors pushed further, suggesting that that "releasing the documents" would prove she'd done nothing wrong. She refused. Eventually that refusal became her calling card. "They'll only demand more!" The radio interview is linked below.<br /><br />I spent much of my 30-year civilian Army career dealing with hostile groups and individuals in situations were they felt threatened. My friends and I lobbied leaders constantly to "release the documents," to be as open and transparent as the law and policy would allow. I once had a television reporter ask me to help him find someone he could interview who would say something critical about the way we were doing things. I explained that as a government employee I couldn't give out personal information on any private person. I recommended he go to the library or super market and keep asking.<br /><br />The simplest way to say it is, if you don't want to be thought to be covering up, don't cover up. If you don't want to be though of as a liar or dissembler, don't lie or dissemble. There are things you shouldn't and can't open to the media or the public. Those things are pretty much spelled out by law and regulation. <br /><br />I never have thought of Ms. Clinton as the evil demon so many on the left and right seem to think she is. However, During her campaign (and her career for that matter) there were so many opportunities for her to change the narrative. She wouldn't and couldn't do it. And it hurt her ... and the nation.<br />GEORGE MERCERnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-21144792068124169582017-04-25T16:09:50.842-04:002017-04-25T16:09:50.842-04:00Hillary is what she is. And I think she's damn...Hillary is what she is. And I think she's damned impressive. I wish I had a tenth of her drive. But I cannot wholly reject your argument.<br /><br />But don't be morose. We'll survive Trump.<br /><br />Joe Biden! Where were you when we needed you?<br />Bscharlotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06667913621618808338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-71904574164673417822017-04-25T10:35:54.189-04:002017-04-25T10:35:54.189-04:00Yes you nailed it. She most assuredly is not blame...Yes you nailed it. She most assuredly is not blameless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-67309209957130421892017-04-25T08:39:06.231-04:002017-04-25T08:39:06.231-04:00And while I'm piling on, what did Clinton stan...<b>And while I'm piling on, what did Clinton stand for? Why was she running for president? Beyond "because it's my turn," I still have not been able to suss out a plausible answer<\blockquote> <br /><br />Did you try visiting her campaign website? There was a whole list of policy proposals and positions. I might be going out on a limb here, but if I had to guess a reason for her running it would be to enact those policies and proposals. <br /><br />She also gave lots of speeches during the campaign where she laid out her vision for the country. The media didn't really cover them because they were too busy showing the podium where Trump was going to speak, but I think you can still find them on YouTube. Lots of stuff about protecting minorities, the environment, growing a 21st century economy, reigning in the shadow banking industry, putting together an economy that works for everyone.<br /><br />Hillary also has an entire career to look at. Access to Health Care and Women's rights and support for children factored fairly heavily in where she spend her time and effort. Even if you were cut off from all news starting the day she announced her run for Presidency, it would be reasonable to assume that she was pursuing the Presidency to further advance the causes she's always fought for.<br /><br />Failing that, she's a grandmother. Maybe she just ran for President because she didn't want the Republicans to fuck up the country and the planet. That seems like a pretty solid reason to me. It's why even if she had lost the primary, I would have drug myself across broken glass, squeezed through razor wire and swam through a river of battery acid to vote for Bernie Sanders.</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com