tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post3062067251727265317..comments2024-03-28T09:13:04.373-04:00Comments on KIKO'S HOUSE: 15 Years After 9/11 Attacks, The Greatest Cover-Up In U.S. History Remains IntactShaun Mullenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14964214385216513188noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-16269297392476720582016-09-08T15:44:38.888-04:002016-09-08T15:44:38.888-04:00Thank you Shaun Mullen for reminding us of what sh...Thank you Shaun Mullen for reminding us of what should never be forgotten. One day the truth may finally be uncovered, but I have resigned myself to the probability that it will be long after I depart this mortal coil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-16603184735946619252015-10-27T11:54:10.219-04:002015-10-27T11:54:10.219-04:00As usual, my response is "show me the evidenc...As usual, my response is "show me the evidence." <br /><br />Truthers (a word that is shopworn and needs to be retired) have not shown me evidence of the quantity or quality to convince me there were conspiracies beyond or in conjunction with the hijackers. There <i>is</i> ample quality evidence of a systematic Bush administration cover-up to hide the administration's serial negligence and incompetence, not to hide attendant conspiracies endorsed by truthers.<br /><br />The prime example of a non-starter conspiracy is that materials had been smuggled into the twin towers that caused or hastened their collapse. In other words, a controlled demolition. Others include a flurry of insider trading on United and American Airlines stock prior to 9/11, that air defense units were ordered to stand down, and that a missile and not AA Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.<br /><br />The one conspiracy that I have not ruled out is that Israeli agents knew of the impending attacks.Shaun Mullenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14964214385216513188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-22450960799613086492015-10-27T10:59:16.604-04:002015-10-27T10:59:16.604-04:00Well, I see that Maine Independent made most of th...Well, I see that Maine Independent made most of the arguments I would have made. I'll only add that it has been clear to me since I started reading about the JFK assassination that there are who want to get at the truth and those who want to obfuscate. Went the official version starts to fall apart, there are back-up versions pushed by agents of those who controlled the conspiracy to continue to mislead. With JFK, the Castro-did-it idea was put out to mislead - by admitting a conspiracy, but misdirecting from those who really did it. <br /><br />So too in the case of 9 /11, ideas have been put out to paint "Truthers' as anti-semites. That way any serious questioning of the involvement of Israel through the Mossad could be portrayed as part of the anti-semitism.<br /><br />I find your two comments "rantings of truthers" and that don't take them seriously to be insulting, dismissive and disappointingly uninquisitive on your part.David McCorquodalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02859263893427270480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-13430900355164834322015-09-13T16:14:53.891-04:002015-09-13T16:14:53.891-04:00You are playing a good game of yes, but no, but ye...You are playing a good game of yes, but no, but yes. If you are suggesting that all of these fantastic events happened because of incompetence, then you are hardly covered in glory sir... perhaps cowardice... you are trying to walk a childish line... "oh no, I'm not one of "THEM"--- those crazies who believe in a conspiracy.." and then you clearly outline everything that makes no sense about the "Official Story." It's past time for this silly game you are playing sir... we know it was a false flag operation... it's about time that the press had the courage to go there...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-29908824375650220242015-09-11T14:18:42.283-04:002015-09-11T14:18:42.283-04:00I have also marvelled at one; the genius of this p...I have also marvelled at one; the genius of this plan, two; the dedicated focus given to the implementation process; and three, the failure of the US agencies to figure it out beforehand as well as the inter-agency confusion that made the response during the attack so much more difficult. Above all, as the identity of the perpetrators was finally revealed, something inside me that was aware of just how offensive the US is to some other countries and cultures (especially after just a few days in Saudi Arabia in 1990) quietly said, "What took them so long?" This was not only an attack on the US as a world power, it was an attack on what we are to the rest of the world.Susan Wintersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-66131161638000505862012-09-10T10:15:27.744-04:002012-09-10T10:15:27.744-04:00Editor's note:
All of the above comments were...<i>Editor's note:</i><br /><br />All of the above comments were posted after initial publication in September 2011. Subsequent comments are new.Shaun Mullenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14964214385216513188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-13862630487963835202012-01-01T02:24:01.811-05:002012-01-01T02:24:01.811-05:00You've left out the most important part. After...You've left out the most important part. After 9/11, Americans soon perceived that this horrific tragedy was a one-off, something that couldn't be repeated. We wouldn't have willingly submitted to the homeland security state or emptied the treasury to pay "contractors." We were recovering.<br /> But the anthrax attacks were deeply scary. They kept happening in different kinds of places and killing or endangering different types of people. Ordinary citizens were worrying about opening their own mail and worrying about random spills of flour. That, I think, is what so unnerved Americans and made us prey to the security state. <br /> We've never had a satisfactory answer to the who and why questions about the anthrax attacks. Did "someone" want to create and maintain high anxiety for political or economic gain? I could imagine all sorts of treason, but I'd rather not think about it.JoyfulAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-68581574331582067772011-12-29T11:21:18.390-05:002011-12-29T11:21:18.390-05:00Good post, sort of. Yes, there are plenty of unan...Good post, sort of. Yes, there are plenty of unanswered questions that will probably remain that way. I don't agree with the end, though. You are giving the Al Queda bogie man too much credit. It disgusts me to see this name invoked at every instance, regardless of whether there is actual evidence, as further justification for the ever more powerful police state that "protects" us in our phony war on terror. <br />They got in a lucky shot when the chicken hawks were in charge and we went nuts. Do a post on whether or not the stated goals of Al Queda worked out.Blakenatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-44106449501810641312011-12-29T09:01:01.917-05:002011-12-29T09:01:01.917-05:00Paradoctor:
Please reread what I wrote: That cons...<i>Paradoctor:</i><br /><br />Please reread what I wrote: That conspiracy freaks believe that the administration let the attacks proceed, and that administration officials were warned but did nothing.<br /><br />The latter does not constitute a conspiracy theory while the former does.<br /><br />Both, you might say, are generally admitted facts.Shaun Mullenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14964214385216513188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-88497303325689448512011-12-29T06:48:44.181-05:002011-12-29T06:48:44.181-05:00You wrote:
"Like Pearl Harbor, there has been...You wrote:<br />"Like Pearl Harbor, there has been no end of 9/11 conspiracy theories, chief among them that Bush administration officials knew of the attacks in advance and permitted them to proceed. The mainstream media has treated these theories with bafflement and amusement, nor do I take them seriously." <br /><br />But earlier, you also wrote:<br />"President Bush, Vice President Cheney and National Security Adviser Rice were separately warned that Al Qaeda was planning attacks on the homeland but did nothing." <br /><br />In what way does this not constitute knowing of the attacks in advance and permitting them to proceed? Really, that accusation is not a conspiracy theory; it is a plain recitation of generally admitted facts.Paradoctorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04821968120388981470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-90598514843656184772011-12-29T00:13:44.955-05:002011-12-29T00:13:44.955-05:00Thanks for this post. The Bush administration'...Thanks for this post. The Bush administration's actions regarding pre-9/11 intelligence were remarkably similar to its post-Iraq war planning, which is to say that both were willfully ignorant, arrogant, and devastatingly hubristic. Unless, of course, you were Halliburton or Blackwater or any other private contractor, in which case the outcome was brilliant. I swear to god, I still have torches and pitchforks, and I still want to deploy them. <br /><br />Oh, and by the way, I am raising a glass to Jon Swift.Magathanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-74651010544983991532011-09-11T12:57:58.394-04:002011-09-11T12:57:58.394-04:00Mr. Mullen,
There's another former jounalist,...Mr. Mullen,<br /><br />There's another former jounalist, now a blogger, that Crooks & Liars provided a link too. It seems that you former more-or-less mainstream journalists need to think more outside of (the compliant media) box. I couldn't resist commenting there either:<br /><br />http://www.beggarscanbechoosers.com/2011/09/911-conspiracy-theory-that-makes-sense.htmlMaine Independentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-53345590386293171092011-09-07T22:25:48.842-04:002011-09-07T22:25:48.842-04:00Follow up with this:
http://www.philly.com/philly...Follow up with this:<br /><br />http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/The-10-unanswered-questions-of-911.htmlMaine Independentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-48809805561170277542011-09-07T14:30:46.649-04:002011-09-07T14:30:46.649-04:00Mr. Mullen:
I guess the honorable Judith Miller, ...Mr. Mullen:<br /><br />I guess the honorable Judith Miller, formerly of the NY Times, now of FOX, squeezed you out of that Pulitzer prize.<br /><br />I did not say that the explosive found was from the Pentagon, in fact I am more inclined to think that the Pentagon was NOT involved, although certain people in the Pentagon could have been. I have former military in my family and some retired officer friends and I could not imagine any of them being involved in such a treasonous action.<br /><br />see: http://mo911truth.org/<br /><br />Military Officers for 9-11 Truth (are they all "nutters"?)<br /><br />I do suspect that Israel (through Mossad or some other group), since it benefited from the war on Saddam, could have been involved, for a number of reasons. And before I get smeared with the tired "anti-Semite" accusation, let me say that for a long time I was a strong supporter of Israel, lived and worked in urban Jewish neighborhoods and have many close Jewish friends. <br /><br />But the state of Israel has proven time and again that they will do anything they want, or feel they have to, to survive. At least that is their perception, that allows them to brutalize the Palestinian people as they were formerly brutalized themselves. And they did not hesitate to execute an American citizen on the Gaza aid boat that they illegally (piracy on the high seas?) seized. The Israelis are unaccountable to the world, because they have (1) the USA on their side, and (2) nukes. Their theme song is "Can't touch this".<br /><br />I agree that a large number of people would have a hard time keeping the 9-11 attack plans a secret, but I assume that it was a small number on the inside. My theory is that the shadow government knew that the attacks were going to happen and took advantage of that fact to turn the event to their advantage.<br /><br />But if you really want to make our government accountable, then good luck, more power to you. I won't hold my breath. As long as 9-11s can happen, and we are denied the truth, the government and the people REALLY running it (the owners, as George Carlin said), will not be acccountable.<br /><br />By the way, Bill O'Reilly calls liberals "kooks", you call us "nutters". Frankly, neither bothers me, but I would think that you might want to keep an open mind to the possibility that there is much, much more to 9-11 than you suspect. I had to be in NYC six weeks after the attack, so I walked down to ground zero and inhaled the "safe" fumes and checked out the scene. It was something. I had been in the towers and up to the top several times, in fact up to the observation deck exactly one year before on a similar clear, blue sky Sept day.<br /><br />It is said that WW1 darkened the consciousness of the generation that fought and died and their families. 9-11 has darkened ours. Getting the whole truth, and convictions, would certainly bring some light back to our collective consciousness.Maine Independentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-8146808827374042512011-09-07T14:01:14.830-04:002011-09-07T14:01:14.830-04:00THE MOST SHOCKING COVER-UP IS THAT WHICH ALLOWED P...THE MOST SHOCKING COVER-UP IS THAT WHICH ALLOWED PIAPS, WHO WAS ENTIRELY COMPLICIT IN 9/11, TO TAKE A CABINET POST AS UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF STATE!!!<br /><br />WAKE UP, AMERICA, AND MAKE THE CONNECTIONS!!!!:<br /><br />http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4038/4474935780_023abc15ff_o.pngAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-78361216589099265162011-09-07T13:33:49.802-04:002011-09-07T13:33:49.802-04:00I see, it is all about the pulitzers*! One can'...I see, it is all about the pulitzers*! One can't be a twoofer and a pulitzer pwize winner I assume. HA!<br />Wrong Shawn. Iron microspheres were found in the dust. (as well as unexploded thermitic chips) These can ONLY be formed at intense heat, NOT in office fires (and the jet fuel burned off almost immediatly, -the heat of the fires can be confirmed by the color of the fires smoke...office fires CAN NOT melt steel)<br />And to your second "point" I'm so tired of this one, and so many of 'your type' hang your hat on this "point" as if it proves something. What is the statue of limitaions on murdering 3000 people? You think people are going to admit to treasonous murder!? Yes, holding secrets is tuff, but not when releasing said secret would get you a seat in the electric chair! Also, you assume it would take a "very large number of people" ...why? Here's a conspiracy for you...maybe all those "very large number of people" once finished with their project got on a plane to fly home, but whoops got on one "flown" by some guy named Atta....<br />And as to your motivation, you made that clear when you bragged about your qwest for the pulitzer...<br />* did larry silverstein win a 'Pull-It-sir'...?!<br />Also, please let me know what you think about all these cwazy twoofers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIOC1J44RYw&feature=player_embedded<br /><br />Thanks for looking at the FACTS closer shawn, have a good day my friend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-15514875216883825862011-09-07T12:33:20.214-04:002011-09-07T12:33:20.214-04:00Maine Independent:
I have spent years involved in...<i>Maine Independent:</i><br /><br />I have spent years involved in investigative reporting and editing. My projects were nominated for four Pulitzers, which does not make me omnipotent, but I do have a pretty good nose for conspiracy theories that can't pass a basic sniff test.<br /><br />The conspiracy theory that the Pentagon was somehow behind the Twin Towers attacks because a substance that shows up in military explosives does not pass the test for the simple reasons that:<br /><br />(1.) The substance appears in numerous applications in addition to military explosives.<br /><br />(2.) A very large number of people would have to remain silent l0 years on to give the Pentagon as boogie man conspiracy any life. I have found over and over that conspiracies involving large numbers of people <i>never</i> hold beyond the short term.<br /><br />As to my motivation, it is to make our government accountable. Period.Shaun Mullenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14964214385216513188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-61262535704016015262011-09-07T12:11:35.910-04:002011-09-07T12:11:35.910-04:00Un mas thang...the mossad did it..Un mas thang...the mossad did it..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-2578368571998841832011-09-07T12:07:02.179-04:002011-09-07T12:07:02.179-04:00And another thing shawn...even those 'cwazy tw...And another thing shawn...even those 'cwazy twoofers' realize that there are 'kook' theories out there regarding what happened on 911... Shawn, YOU ARE A TRUTHER! You don't believe you were told the whole truth about what happened that day, you believe there was a cover up, you believe in the msm complicity of the cover up...but you still dis truthers... even though you are now one of us! you cwazy twoofer you...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-68604157194114074402011-09-07T12:03:17.447-04:002011-09-07T12:03:17.447-04:00Mr. Mullen:
Sorry for the typos and word salad; u...Mr. Mullen:<br /><br />Sorry for the typos and word salad; unstable keyboard platform here. I'll crawl under the desk and replace those keyboard tray screws someday......<br /><br />Well, I think even you would have to agree that you cannot know who the "9/11 Truther nutballs" are if you have no way of having all the facts, right?<br /><br />You remind me a little of that esteemed former NPR correspondent, Daniel Schorr, who every year on the anniversary of JFK's assassination would do a commentary flatly stating that there was only a single gunman, Oswald, and that the "JFK Truther nutballs" were not to be given any credence. <br /><br />But he impressed me another time when, in an interview with R. M. Nixon toward the end of Nixon's life, he did not ask Nixon any hard questions, especially about his enemies list, which apparently, Daniel Schorr was on. Typical liberal coward, a stay in line commentator.<br /><br />I am not saying that you are the same, only that you immediately reminded me of him when I read your post. But I must ask, what is your motivation for an apparent blanket dismissal of the "9-11 Truthers"? Do you think the presentations of eminent professors about explosive residue in the ashes of the WTC and all the other seemingly random occurances don't add up to anything? Have you actually done any in depth studying of the claims of those who suspect that we are getting only a small fraction of the truth?<br /><br />Every day we have revelations of our government's tremendous dishonesty and just plain evilness, especially with the release of the WikiLeaks documents, which I consider a brave act that exposed our government for what it is. I learned at the early age of 18 that our government can usually only LIE to us, when they tried to send me to Vietnam and arrested me for a "dangerous" drug, mild pot. <br /><br />I had previously started to join the Air Farce to avoid being cannon fodder on the ground in Vietnam, and because I was enlisting, they told me I'd have my choice of duty, but they reneged on that right before I took the oath. So I told them to take a hike, and became for my life sceptical of our empire building, brutal, murderous, corporate run mad dog government and ruling elite. And when I've suspected the most evil intentions in anything they do, I've almost always been proven correct in my deductions.<br /><br />But I again ask, what is your motivation? I assume there are too many bloggers for the CIA to have you all on their payroll (as was the case with many mainstream print journalists). But if you have not done extensive research and study on 9-11, then you are blowing smoke if you think it was only departmental incompetence and rivalries that allowed the attacks of 9-11 to succeed. It doesn't add up.<br /><br />By the way, found your blog by following a link from Crooks and Liars dot com. Excellent site, but even the powner there will not allow any discussion of 9-11. So, I don't donate.Maine Independentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-42033743561138707202011-09-07T11:59:40.168-04:002011-09-07T11:59:40.168-04:00You mention pearl harbor, but not those that hoped...You mention pearl harbor, but not those that hoped for another one....you speak of the toxic dust, but fail to mention what was found in the toxic dust....MILITARY EXPLOSIVES!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-80646450828635231642011-09-07T11:50:39.854-04:002011-09-07T11:50:39.854-04:00What about building 7? I guess it fell from the sh...What about building 7? I guess it fell from the shear incompetence of the government?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-76011253480286053792011-09-07T11:33:39.098-04:002011-09-07T11:33:39.098-04:00Anonymous:
"Complicitous" pops up from ...<i>Anonymous:</i><br /><br />"Complicitous" pops up from time to time, but not in the OED or Webster's. It is word, not a widely recognized one.<br /><br />So there.Shaun Mullenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14964214385216513188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-63417110184218247022011-09-07T11:27:23.016-04:002011-09-07T11:27:23.016-04:00"complicitous" isn't a word."complicitous" isn't a word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-80932674477265570302011-09-07T11:06:44.343-04:002011-09-07T11:06:44.343-04:00Maine Independent:
I think that we are in fundame...<i>Maine Independent:</i><br /><br />I think that we are in fundamental agreement unless your statement that "your distain for we who would want to know the whole truth, no matter how horrible . . . " aligns you with the 9/11 Truther nutballs. I sincerely hope not.Shaun Mullenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14964214385216513188noreply@blogger.com