tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post115873710826654210..comments2024-03-28T09:13:04.373-04:00Comments on KIKO'S HOUSE: Hell Hath No Fury Like Islam ScornedShaun Mullenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14964214385216513188noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-1158937787805915492006-09-22T11:09:00.000-04:002006-09-22T11:09:00.000-04:00Well, I did read his full text. But the part that...Well, I did read his full text. But the part that got me was when he said that everything that came from Mohammad was "evil and unhuman." A bad and stupid comment in my book.<BR/><BR/>And as for your second question about whether the Pope "should speak out," I don't even know why you ask things like that. He's the head of the Catholic Church, of course he should. I just disagreed with his comment.Cassidyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00749196664742324339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-1158851405288685112006-09-21T11:10:00.000-04:002006-09-21T11:10:00.000-04:00Okay, okay. You're not soft on terrorism.That lea...Okay, okay. You're not soft on terrorism.<BR/><BR/>That leaves one big difference between where we are: I absolutely back the Pope. (It does help to read his entire address for context, as boring as most of it was to this layman.)<BR/><BR/>Without ruffling more feathers, can I presume you do not believe the Cardinal of Rome should speak out on such an issue as he has spoken out on AIDS and globalization? Or is it the manner in which he spoke out?Shaun Mullenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14964214385216513188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-1158850239710863942006-09-21T10:50:00.000-04:002006-09-21T10:50:00.000-04:00I agree, terrorism is arguably the greatest proble...I agree, terrorism is arguably the greatest problem in our world today.<BR/><BR/>But still. You... don't... get... it. All I was doing from the outset was criticize the Pope's remarks. Somehow, that meant that I didn't take terrorism seriously. I have yet to be given a reason my. Name one line where I said terrorists were misunderstood, or should be given amnesty, or that it is our fault that they attacked us.<BR/><BR/>Seriously, what do I need to do to convince you that I am not soft-peddling terrorism? Kill and Arab? Write a post about how terrorism is bad? Really, what? Obviously the fact that I took issue with your support of the Pope's statements made me soft on terror. Maybe you can finally address the problem withe equating one with the other instead of pretending that I don't take terrorism seriously.Cassidyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00749196664742324339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-1158849425853900762006-09-21T10:37:00.000-04:002006-09-21T10:37:00.000-04:00Apologies. My error.However, my original statemen...Apologies. My error.<BR/><BR/>However, my original statement stands. <BR/><BR/>Why do you soft pedal what -- along with AIDS, global warming and the failure of globalism to pull poor nations up -- is the single greatest challenge facing the world today, and arguably the greatest?<BR/><BR/>I repeat: Saying that Islam has issues with terrorism is like saying some dogs have fleas.Shaun Mullenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14964214385216513188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-1158847045115110852006-09-21T09:57:00.000-04:002006-09-21T09:57:00.000-04:00If you want to quote me, do it correctly. I said ...If you want to quote me, do it correctly. I said "Islam has issues with terrorism." You watered it down by inserting the word "some."Cassidyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00749196664742324339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-1158844077009174482006-09-21T09:07:00.000-04:002006-09-21T09:07:00.000-04:00Saying that "Islam has some issues with terrorism"...Saying that "Islam has some issues with terrorism" is like saying some dogs have fleas.Shaun Mullenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14964214385216513188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-1158837645278907382006-09-21T07:20:00.000-04:002006-09-21T07:20:00.000-04:00Well, how about the last time a Christian fanatic ...Well, how about the last time a Christian fanatic blew up an abortion clinic...<BR/><BR/>But regardless, you still miss the point... I didn't even talk about terror, but you equate me saying the Pope's remarks were stupid with me defending terrorism. I even put in the little nugget that I thought the Muslim reaction was equally sick.<BR/><BR/>The Pope's remarks were shameful. He didn't just say that violence in the name of religion was bad, he said what Mohammad created was an evil. That sets people off. They were bad comments. That's all I and others are saying. But let me go through this one last time:<BR/><BR/>(1) Pope's comments are bad.<BR/>(2) Terrorism is bad.<BR/>(3) Islam has issues with terrorism.<BR/>(4) The Pope's comments doesn't give Osama bin Laden and his pals a blank check to do whatever.<BR/><BR/>I hope you can understand that.<BR/><BR/>And great way to stifle dissent... by saying that I am stifling dissent. A comment like that is usually the last resort of someone who is backed into a corner and can't engage in a reasonable debate.Cassidyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00749196664742324339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-1158825480216778692006-09-21T03:58:00.000-04:002006-09-21T03:58:00.000-04:00I'm wracking my brain to recall the last time a So...I'm wracking my brain to recall the last time a Southern Baptist blew himself up in a crowded marketplace or an Episcopalian shot up a clinic or a Catholic flew a jetliner into an office tower. Maybe you can refresh my memory.<BR/><BR/>Please put away that big brush. I take great pains to note that the vast majority of Muslims are peace loving people and that the Catholic Church, among others, has lots of blood on its hands. <BR/><BR/>What the pope said was appropriately and historically accurate. You're doing a pretty good imitation of being soft on terrorism because you bridle at any criticism of it that does not perfectly fit your intellectual, political, moral and emotional parameters.<BR/><BR/>And the ultimate tragedy of thinking that way is . . . guess what? It stiffles discussion and dissent.Shaun Mullenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14964214385216513188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19217611.post-1158787440061564102006-09-20T17:24:00.000-04:002006-09-20T17:24:00.000-04:00As for getting slammed, I think you're missing the...As for getting slammed, I think you're missing the point.<BR/><BR/>Even though you dismiss us as knee-jerk liberals, I believe the objection I and others had was that people such as yourself have equated criticism of the Pope's remarks with an endorement of Islamic violence or whatever the phrase of the day is." Just like in the Danish thingie, if I were to say something like "you know the Danish cartoons <I>were</I> offensive, I get labeled as a bin Laden apologist.<BR/><BR/>As Kevin Drum said today, there really aren't any good guys on the Pope's side or in the Arab streets. The Pope's comments were sick, and stupid and wrong. And so was the reaction of the Arab/Muslim/whatever world. <BR/><BR/>And Glenn's comment about the Pope being the first... I guess he ignored everyone who has written a book or been on TV in the last twenty years about saying that Islam has problems.Cassidyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00749196664742324339noreply@blogger.com